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		<title>By: velda</title>
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		<dc:creator>velda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say, is that with my Flex class kicking my can this semester, I&#039;m wishing Flash would have faded away a while ago ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say, is that with my Flex class kicking my can this semester, I&#8217;m wishing Flash would have faded away a while ago <img src='http://novapages.com/ideablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kurt Griffith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a fellow designer, I seriously have a love/hate relationship with Flash. Can do some pretty things with it, but having to be a visual designer AND a serious wirehead programmer to get anything done in ActionScript 3 makes my eyes bleed and I sometimes howl with frustration with the product.  But all those Flash interfaces, Flash sites, games and the not to be scoffed at 75% of Net Video is likely to be going away anytime soon. The majority of Web Users are indeed MEDIA CONSUMERS, not Creative sorts like us. The Audience that Steve and Apple squarely aimed the iPad at. 

Seriously, Window Media is a horrid format, and MS subtly sabotages Quicktime with every service pack, so Flash comes out the winner being installed in 90% of the worlds browser. Pain in the butt as it is, it mostly works. 

Of course Steve hates Flash, and it ain&#039;&#039;t going into the iPhone OS anytime soon. Beyond tech issues, Steve is allergic to technologies they don&#039;t control. And Apple has in recent years, very much de-emphasized the Creative Pros that were once their core market and most rabid supporters. 

But true, I will not be particularly sad to see Flash fade away. But like IE 6, it&#039;s going to take a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a fellow designer, I seriously have a love/hate relationship with Flash. Can do some pretty things with it, but having to be a visual designer AND a serious wirehead programmer to get anything done in ActionScript 3 makes my eyes bleed and I sometimes howl with frustration with the product.  But all those Flash interfaces, Flash sites, games and the not to be scoffed at 75% of Net Video is likely to be going away anytime soon. The majority of Web Users are indeed MEDIA CONSUMERS, not Creative sorts like us. The Audience that Steve and Apple squarely aimed the iPad at. </p>
<p>Seriously, Window Media is a horrid format, and MS subtly sabotages Quicktime with every service pack, so Flash comes out the winner being installed in 90% of the worlds browser. Pain in the butt as it is, it mostly works. </p>
<p>Of course Steve hates Flash, and it ain&#8221;t going into the iPhone OS anytime soon. Beyond tech issues, Steve is allergic to technologies they don&#8217;t control. And Apple has in recent years, very much de-emphasized the Creative Pros that were once their core market and most rabid supporters. </p>
<p>But true, I will not be particularly sad to see Flash fade away. But like IE 6, it&#8217;s going to take a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Yadzinski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Yadzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. I wonder ... it&#039;s my understanding that Apple does not support Flash on its iPod/iPhone and now iPad because they consider it to be a competitor to it&#039;s own Quicktime format. Will there be a time when Apple is forced to support Flash on its devices? Might there be grounds for an anti trust suit?

It seems Apple may be aware of the legal implications, allowing a compromise of sorts for Flash developers: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10367697-264.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1

Is there consensus within the standards community on these points? Are the legal points considered?

And to be clear .... viva la standards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article. I wonder &#8230; it&#8217;s my understanding that Apple does not support Flash on its iPod/iPhone and now iPad because they consider it to be a competitor to it&#8217;s own Quicktime format. Will there be a time when Apple is forced to support Flash on its devices? Might there be grounds for an anti trust suit?</p>
<p>It seems Apple may be aware of the legal implications, allowing a compromise of sorts for Flash developers: <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10367697-264.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10367697-264.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1</a></p>
<p>Is there consensus within the standards community on these points? Are the legal points considered?</p>
<p>And to be clear &#8230;. viva la standards!</p>
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		<title>By: Standards &#171; SMRTDSGN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Standards &#171; SMRTDSGN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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